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有對想

sapratigha-saṃjñā

缘于诸显色和合积集、具质碍障碍相之色法聚集而转起之想。AI-generated

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What This Concept Is Actually Saying

The term 有對想 — literally "perception-with-resistance" — sounds exotic, but the technical apparatus around it is among the most carefully engineered pieces of contemplative analysis in the Yogācāra tradition. To understand it, we have to slow down, because three things get conflated in casual reading: the etymology of the term, what it points to in actual experience, and the specific role it plays in a meditation sequence.

The word "對" (pratigha). In Buddhist technical vocabulary, 對 does *not* mean "object" in the sense of "something I am aware of." It means 質礙 — material resistance, the property of matter that one thing bumps against another (the original sense: pratigha as "striking-against"). Two pieces of earth occupy the same space and push each other away; that mutual obstruction is 質礙. Minds, by contrast, can occupy the same space — your thought and mine don't collide — so mental events are classified as 無對 (without resistance). 有對想, then, is not "perception that has an object" but more narrowly perception that arises in relation to material form precisely insofar as it has obstructive, resisting solidity. This is the first place contemporary readers go wrong: they hear "object" and think of cognitive objects in general. The classical term is much more specific.

Two classical definitions, one layered analysis. Two great Yogācāra texts treat 有對想, and they frame it from slightly different angles — not contradictorily, but as two slices through the same phenomenon.

The 《瑜伽師地論》 (T1579) defines it as *"因諸顯色和合積集有障礙想"* — the perception that arises from **the aggregation of various visible colors (*顯色*) combining together, having the character of obstruction. Here the entry point is 顏色聚合後的「障礙相」** — the moment when scattered colors gather into a thing that blocks, stops, resists.

The 《顯揚聖教論》 (T1602) defines it as *"彼所依四大想及餘所造色想"* — perception of the supporting four great elements (earth, water, fire, wind) and the form derived from them. Here the entry point is the elemental substrate: the perceiving of matter as 質礙為性 (whose nature is resistance).

These are not competing accounts. The 顯揚論 reaches the same phenomenon through the analysis "by element" (the four 質礙-substances and what depends on them); the 瑜伽論 reaches it through the analysis "by appearance" (colors aggregated into obstructing things). Both are saying: 有對想 is the perception of form-as-resisting-substance, just approached from different analytic doors.

The three-layer structure that has to be kept intact. 有對想 is never taught alone. It sits in a careful trio:

1. **色想 (*rūpa-saṃjñā*) — the perception of 顯色 (visible color) in isolation: blue, yellow, red, white, etc., as pure appearing. This is the most "thin" layer — just chromatic presence. 2. 有對想 (*sapratigha-saṃjñā*) — the perception that arises when those colors are aggregated into something with 障礙相 — the obstructive characteristic of a thing that has volume, density, push-back. This is where the wall starts being solid, not just colored. 3. 種種想 (*nānā-saṃjñā*) — the perception of particular differentiated things within an aggregate: drink, food, bottle, clothing, vehicle, ornament, city, dwelling, army, garden, mountain, forest. The 顯揚論 elaborates: in addition, shapes (long/short, rough/fine, square/round, high/low, straight/crooked), and qualitative pairs like light/shadow, bright/dark. This is the layer where the thing becomes named and categorized**.

The Yogācāra commentators are emphatic that these three are not the same and must not be flattened into one another. The 瑜伽論 gives a sequential formulation: 色想出過 → 有對想滅沒 → 種種想不作意 — "color-perception is surpassed" → "resistance-perception ceases" → "particular-perception is no longer attended to." Each layer has its own work to do in meditation, and its own way of letting go.

The mechanism of cessation — and why the vocabulary matters. When the practitioner enters the 虛空無邊處 (Sphere of Infinite Space — the first of the four formless attainments), the texts describe two different mechanisms by which the layers come to rest:

- 有對想 "不現前故滅" — ceases *because its object is no longer presented to perception*. This is a key term. The practitioner has shifted attention so that what appears is empty space (虛空), not aggregated form with resistance. The wall's solidness was never "destroyed" by force; it simply is no longer the presented object of perception. The text carefully avoids the word 斷 (cut off, severed) and uses 滅沒 (naturally ceases, fades away). - 種種想 "不起作意" — *is not attended to*, not energized. Even if the layer's content flickers, the practitioner does not pick it up.

This is a subtle but profound distinction the contemporary reader should not lose. 有對想 stops because the object-category itself disappears from the perceptual field; 種種想 stops because the attending mind stops energizing it. Different mechanism, different texture.

And critically: this is a meditation-stage phenomenon, not a permanent ontological claim. The texts are explicit: 有對想 "ceases" within the specific context of entering 虛空無邊處. The 瑜伽論 does not claim that all perception is forever done away with. The 顯揚論 notes that the subsequent three formless attainments (識無邊處, 無所有處, 非想非非想處) do not even involve 有對想 again, because by that point the meditator has long since passed it. 有對想 is a feature of the perceptual field that one is presently inhabiting; leave that field, and the perception is no longer operative.


Life's Walk-Through

Let us walk this concept slowly through a single moment — say, you are sitting in a small room after a long day, looking at the wall opposite you. Most of the time you never notice that what seems like "just seeing the wall" is actually three nested perceptions firing together. The classical analysis asks us to notice the nesting.

Layer one: 色想. Before the wall is anything at all, before it is *yours* or *solid* or *named*, there is simply the appearing of color. The off-white of paint. The slight grey shadow in the corner where the ceiling meets. If you have ever done anything aesthetic — photography, painting, even just staring out a window on a sick day — you know this layer. It is the level at which a wall is *just a tone*, not yet a thing. Yogācāra calls this 顯色想. It can be very beautiful, very thin, very impersonal. Children and painters sometimes linger here.

Layer two: 有對想. Now press slightly. The off-white is no longer a flat field of color; it has become the surface of something. You register, even with eyes closed, that on the other side of that surface is something you cannot see through. The wall has become opaque, occupying space, pushing back. If you walked forward, you would meet it. If you threw a ball at it, the ball would bounce. This *felt* resistance — this experiencing of matter as obstructing substance — is 有對想. Note how it differs from layer one: the colors haven't changed, but the perceptual field has thickened. The wall is now a thing with 質礙, not just a field of color.

Most contemporary readers, when first introduced to this concept, immediately collapse it into "perception of physical objects" and lose the precision. 有對想 is *not* "seeing a chair." Seeing a chair-as-chair is already layer three. 有對想 is the moment when the colors condense into a region of resistance. It is subtler than a thing, more visceral than a color. It is the felt sense of solidity itself.

Layer three: 種種想. Now the labeling mind does its work. The wall is the wall of my apartment, the wall that needs painting, the wall where the landlord put the nail, the wall I stare at during video calls. The color has differentiated into "decor," the resistance into "boundary of my private space," the opaque surface into "this room's identity." 飲、食、瓶、衣、乘、莊嚴具、城、舍、軍、園、山、林 — the 瑜伽論's list of 種種想 — covers exactly this: drink, food, clothing, dwellings, armies, gardens, mountains. All of these are named things within an aggregate, recognized through their differentiated features. The 顯揚論 extends the list to shapes (long/short, square/round, etc.) and quality pairs (light/shadow, bright/dark). This is the layer where the perceiving mind joins with memory, language, social role, narrative, and a colored-and-resistant region becomes a thing with meaning.

The three layers are nested but have different conditions of release. This is the deepest teaching.

Now the contemplation in practice. Imagine you close your eyes and turn your attention to empty space behind the eyelids. The wall's color (layer one) is no longer presented — you are looking at *虚空* (empty space), not at an aggregated color-field. 色想出過 — color-perception is surpassed. Object-not-present (不現前). What about 有對想? The wall's resistance was always *that wall's resistance*. There is no "in general resistance-of-wall" floating around the room. When the wall-as-perceived-object drops out of the perceptual field, the felt resistance also drops out. Not destroyed; simply no longer operative. 不現前故滅 — it ceases because its object is no longer presented.

What about 種種想? Even with the wall gone, the mind may still be *narrating* — "I'm meditating on space now, this is my cushion, the neighbor's dog is barking…" These are still 種種想, even though they no longer involve visible form. The instruction here is 不起作意 — not "smash" the labeling, but simply do not energize it. The meditator lets the narrating mind fade by not picking up its products. This is a fundamentally different technique from suppressing or analyzing — it is more like letting a speaker realize the audience has left.

A second walk-through: scrolling on a phone.

Layer one — 色想: the glowing colors, the light-pattern, the moving shapes. Layer two — 有對想: not quite the same as the wall, because the screen is luminous rather than resisting, but if you hold it up, the device occupies space and blocks the world behind it; it has density, weight, edges. There is still a 對 (resistance) layer. Layer three — 種種想: "messages from friends," "this app," "an ad," "an article I want to read." The naming/semantic layer is huge here, perhaps the dominant layer of smartphone experience.

Notice how modern life seems to live disproportionately in layer three. We rarely dwell in pure color or even in solidity; we dwell in named things, labeled situations, social roles. Yet without layers one and two, layer three has nothing to grip. The 手机 is luminous (layer one) — it sits in space (layer two) — and it is *my* phone with its associated messages (layer three). Strip away any one layer and the experience changes.

A third walk-through: an interpersonal conflict.

Two people arguing in a small room. Layer one: their visible colors, the flush on a cheek, the pallor. Layer two: the felt resistance of the other's presence — their body blocking the doorway, their gaze meeting mine with push-back. Layer three: "my spouse," "the argument about money," "this is the third time this week," "they always do this." All three layers are present, but layer two is doing particular work in conflict — the felt sense that another solid being is opposing me. This is 有對想 at full intensity. Layer three is doing the interpretive work — "this means they don't respect me," etc. The classical analysis suggests that the meditative practice of letting 有對想 不現前 is not denial of the other's existence; it is a temporary exit from a particular perceptual field (one that has the other as resisting-substance-in-my-space), to enter another (one where what appears is space itself). When the meditator returns, the perception of resistance-as-such is again operative in their field. It is not annihilated; it was paused.

This is the practical meaning of "contextual cessation" rather than permanent destruction.


Why Contemporary People Need This Analysis

Most of us have heard Buddhist-sounding phrases about "letting go of perception" or "things are not as solid as they appear." But the Yogācāra analysis of 有對想 offers something more architecturally interesting than a vague intuition. It says: the experience of solidity is a specific cognitive layer, with its own conditions of arising and ceasing, distinct from the layer of color and distinct from the layer of named-things. This matters for at least three contemporary concerns.

1. We live in a culture that mistakes layer two for reality itself. Modern philosophy and common sense both tend to treat "the solid, resisting world" as the most real layer. Physics tells us it is mostly empty space; neuroscience tells us the felt solidity is a brain-construction; contemplative traditions have said for millennia that solidity is a perception-condition. The classical analysis carves this out precisely: 質礙 is a *quality of how matter appears in perception*, not a metaphysical given. Contemporary readers accustomed to thinking of "objective reality" need this kind of categorical precision: which layer is doing the work of "reality-claiming," and what are its conditions?

2. We are drowning in layer three — and we don't know it. Modern life is dominated by 種種想: branding, news categorization, social labels, professional identities, the relentless differentiation of "this" from "that." The Yogācāra list — drink, food, clothing, dwelling, ornament, city, army, garden — sounds quaint, but substitute "Starbucks latte, keto meal, Zara jacket, Brooklyn apartment, Tesla, Instagram, crypto, Apple news, ESG fund, Pilates class" and you have today's 種種想 inventory. The classical analysis teaches that the labeling mind has its own mechanism of release — not by force, but by 不起作意, by simply not energizing the label. This is a different psychological intervention from cognitive reframing; it is closer to what some contemplative therapies call "untangling" or "unhooking" — letting the categorization be there without giving it attention.

3. The different mechanisms of cessation point to different contemplative skills. Stopping layer two (有對想) is not done by the same technique as stopping layer three (種種想). The first requires that the object itself not appear — a real shift in the perceptual field, often achieved by altering what is attended to (in the classical case: attending to space rather than to form). The second is achieved by not attending to the categorical content. These are distinct skills. A contemporary meditator who confuses them may try to "stop labeling" by force, which tends to tighten the labeling; or try to "stop solidity" by force, which usually intensifies the felt solidity through strain. The classical teaching: each layer has its own door, and its own way of opening.

There is also a clarifying parallel with how some cognitive and contemplative scientists now describe layered perception. Modern vision research suggests hierarchical processing: low-level features (color, contrast, edge) → mid-level grouping (surface, depth, solidity) → high-level object and category recognition. The classical three layers (色想 / 有對想 / 種種想) are not identical to this model — they were developed for very different purposes, in a very different conceptual vocabulary, in a meditation context rather than a laboratory — but the structural parallel is suggestive: both traditions recognize that "seeing a chair" is not one event but a layered process, and that what we naively call "perception" is in fact a constructed composite.

This parallel is suggestive but not equivalent. The cognitive model describes information flow in a biological system; the Buddhist analysis describes what is present to first-person awareness under specific contemplative conditions, with the explicit aim of loosening each layer. The methods and the goals are different. We must not slip into saying "neuroscience proves the Buddhist claim." Neuroscience at present cannot measure a *釋* (釋 = cessation) event in the way the texts describe it; what it can do is corroborate the *plausibility* that perception is layered and constructed. The classical analysis stands on its own contemplative warrant, not on scientific validation.


Common Misreadings and Clarifications

Misreading 1: "有對想 = perception of physical objects in general." This is the most common collapse. In English, "perception with resistance" sounds like "perception of things," and readers map it onto ordinary object-perception. But the term is much narrower: it is specifically the perception of form as having 質礙/障礙相 — the layer where color condenses into something that resists. It does not include, for instance, the perception of color alone (which is 色想) nor the perception of named things (which is 種種想). To flatten 有對想 into "object-perception" is to lose the entire layered architecture the concept belongs to.

Misreading 2: "有對 means 'with a cognitive object/counterpart'." Etymologically sapratigha *could* suggest "with a counterpart," and some readers familiar with analytic philosophy of mind project onto 有對想 the meaning "perception that has an object" (the intentional structure of consciousness). This is wrong. The classical 對 is 質礙, material resistance — a physical-property category, not an epistemic one. The texts are absolutely explicit on this. Confusing 對 with "intentional object" makes 有對想 collapse into 想蘊 (the entire perception aggregate), which is a much broader category. 有對想 is a specific subset of perception-of-form, distinguished by its engagement with the obstructive quality of matter.

Misreading 3: "有對想 is permanently destroyed in 虛空無邊處." This is a serious error the texts themselves guard against. The 瑜伽論 carefully states that 有對想 "ceases" (滅沒) within the specific context of this meditation stage; it does not say it is forever annihilated. The choice of 不現前故滅 — "ceases because no longer presented" — instead of 斷 — "cut off, severed" — is deliberate. When the meditator leaves that attainment, the perception of form-as-resistance is again operative. Modern readers often import metaphysical absolutism (annihilation, destruction of self) into texts that are using a much more fluid, contextual vocabulary.

Misreading 4: "色想 = 有對想 = 種種想 — they're all the same thing, just at different names." The texts are emphatic that these are three distinct concepts, each with its own definition, its own mechanism, and its own role in the meditative sequence. Flattening them is to lose the whole point of the analysis. They are nested but not identical: 色想 is about 顯色 (visible color); 有對想 is about 顯色和合積集之物的障礙相 (the obstructive aspect of aggregated colors); 種種想 is about 同一類聚中各種具體事物的差別相 (the differentiated features of particular named things within an aggregate, plus shapes and qualitative pairs). A color-field is not yet an obstructing thing; an obstructing thing is not yet a named particular.

Misreading 5: "有對想 is just about visual perception." The texts are about the entire perceptual field, not only sight. Color-perception can be visual, but the texts also include other sense-modalities (implicit in the reference to 飲、食、瓶、衣 in 種種想, which clearly includes taste and touch). The contemporary reader who hears "perception of color" and imagines only retinal processing is missing that the classical analysis operates at the level of felt qualitative experience, not sense-modality modules.

Misreading 6: "This is about the impossibility of external reality." Some readers, on encountering the claim that 有對想 ceases in deep meditation, leap to "so the external world doesn't exist!" The texts are not making an external-world-existence claim. They are describing the conditions under which a particular perceptual layer is operative. The wall is still there when the meditator opens their eyes. What changes is which layers of perception are foregrounded in their field of awareness, and what work those layers are doing. The wall does not vanish; the felt resistance's role in the contemplative's perceptual field does, for a while. This is a far more subtle claim than naive idealism or naive realism.

Misreading 7: "If I understand this conceptually, I have understood the practice." Conceptual grasp of the three-layer structure is the beginning, not the end. The texts were written for practitioners — for those who actually sit with attention and watch how perception arranges itself. Reading about 不現前故滅 is not the same as finding, in one's own sitting, that the felt resistance of the wall genuinely drops out. The category distinctions are valuable precisely because they point to specific experiential domains that can be observed and worked with. The reading is a map; the practice is the territory.


A final framing. 有對想 is, at its core, a careful question the Yogācāra tradition puts to experience: *when you notice that something feels solid, can you locate which layer that solidity belongs to?* Not "is the world real" — that is the wrong question for this analysis. Rather: where in the layered construction of perception does the felt sense of resistance actually arise, what conditions does it require, and what happens when those conditions change? The classical answer is: it arises between color-perception and naming-perception; it requires an aggregated object with obstructive quality; it ceases when such objects are no longer presented to the perceptual field. This is a small slice of the contemplative map, but it is a precise one — and precision is what the Yogācāra tradition is built to deliver.

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定义与核心要义

有对想(sapratigha-saṃjñā),「对」指质碍之义,系缘于具有质碍、障碍相之色法聚集而转起之想。此想为瑜伽行派于修习次第中所施设,与色想、种种想并列,主要在由色界定趣入空无边处的脉络中加以论述。

主要阐述

《瑜伽师地论》将有对想置于由色界定进入空无边处的修习次第中说明。论中先说修习者「以于虚空起胜解」,使青、黄、赤、白等显色想不再显现,是为「色想出过」。继而由显色想不显现且已被超越,对于种种显色和合积集而成、具有障碍之物所生的想,亦得除遣,此即「有对想灭没」。除遣「有色、有对种种想」之后,修习者生起「无边相虚空胜解」,由近分加行究竟作意进入上根本定的加行究竟果作意定,名为「空无边处具足安住」。尚依近分、未入上根本定时,所缘唯是虚空;已入上根本定后,则既缘虚空,也缘自地所有诸蕴。有对想灭没在本论中是趣入空无边处的一环,意指相关障碍想在此修习脉络中被除遣,原文并未据此将一切想概括为永久断除。

《显扬圣教论》对有对想之论述亦见于解说四无色定超证次第之段落中,以由色界入无色界之初位——虚空无边处之文为详。经文明言有对想之灭乃以「不现前故」为因——非以强力断除,乃以所缘境界不现前而自然灭没;种种想之灭则以「不起作意」为因。其后分别说明由虚空无边处入识无边处、由识无边处入无所有处、由无所有处入非想非非想处,每一阶位皆「超过近分及与根本」。虽然后三段未再明言有对想之状况,但依首段之理,于初入虚空无边处时有对想即已灭没,故后三无色处之超越不再涉及此想。

不同部类与译本的表述差异

《瑜伽师地论》在解说语中使用「有障碍想」,在所释定型语句中则使用「有对想」;两种术语形式在该论中相互对应。就概念内涵而言,《瑜伽师地论》以「因诸显色和合积集有障碍想」为释,侧重显色和合积集之物的障碍相。

《显扬圣教论》则以「彼所依四大想及余所造色想」界定有对想,侧重所依四大及所造色之想,显瑜伽行派以「质碍」为性之分析法门。两论对有对想所缘之描述角度不同:瑜伽论就显色和合积集之物立名,显扬论则就四大及造色立名,二者同依色法而立而有取境之广狭差别。

又《显扬圣教论》以「不现前故灭」及「不起作意」分别说有对想与种种想之超越,不用「断」词而用「灭没」「不作意」,呈现细密之分别;同论对色想与有对想亦采分立之定义方式。

与相关概念的关系

有对想与色想、种种想分层并列。《瑜伽师地论》依次说「色想出过」、「有对想灭没」、「种种想不作意」,三者各有侧重:色想侧重显色想;有对想侧重显色和合积集之物的障碍相;种种想侧重同一类聚中各种具体事物的差别相,如饮、食、瓶、衣、乘、庄严具、城、舍、军、园、山、林等。三者不宜混为同一名称。

《显扬圣教论》亦另立色想为「显色想」,并立种种想为「即于四大及造色中,长短麁细方圆高下正及不正光影明暗,如是等类假色所摄种种想」。此想乃于四大与造色之上所施设之种种相状之想,可见种种想乃有对想之上之进一步概念施设,二者同依色法而有。

《瑜伽师地论》另于谈「想」的一般所缘时,列举「无见无对色」一语,可与「有对想」所缘的有障碍色聚相区别;但原文只提供所缘分类,未直接把该段列项等同于「有对想」的定义。

代表性原文引用

《瑜伽师地论》:「因诸显色和合积集有障碍想」、「有对想灭没」、「色想出过」、「有色、有对种种想」;又:「一切法皆可如其所应成为所缘」,并列举受、想、行蕴、无为、无见无对色、六内处及一切种子等。

《显扬圣教论》:「有对想者,谓彼所依四大想及余所造色想」、「色想者,谓显色想」、「种种想者,谓即于四大及造色中,长短麁细方圆高下正及不正光影明暗,如是等类假色所摄种种想」、「若正入无边虚空处时,有对之想不现前故灭,及种种想不起作意,由如是故超彼能依一切色想」、「如出过义,有对想灭没、种种想不作意,如是应知」。

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瑜伽師地論T1579 · 瑜伽部

《瑜伽師地論》論「有對想」,主要置於由色界定進入空無邊處的修習次第中說明。論中先說,修習者「以於虛空起勝解」,使青、黃、赤、白等相應的顯色想不再顯現,並由厭離欲而得以超越;此一階段稱為「色想出過」。繼而,由顯色想不顯現且已被超越,對於種種顯色和合積集而成、具有障礙之物所生的想,也都得到除遣,原文即以「有障礙想」說明其內容,並以「有對想滅沒」標示其止息。

就概念的核心而言,本論所謂「有對想」,是緣於眾多品類的顯色和合積集之物而轉起的想;這些對象具有障礙性,故論文明說為「因諸顯色和合積集有障礙想」。因此,「有對」在此不是泛指一切認識活動,而是就具有質礙、障礙相的色法聚集而生之想立名。值得記錄的是,《瑜伽師地論》在解說語中使用「有障礙想」,在所釋定型語句中則使用「有對想」;兩種術語形式在本文中相互對應。

本論又將「有對想」與「種種想」分層敘述。遠離有對想之後,對種種聚集中差別事物所起的想也不再被作意;原文所舉包括飲、食、瓶、衣、乘、莊嚴具、城、舍、軍、園、山、林等。這顯示「有對想」側重顯色和合積集之物的障礙相,而「種種想」則側重同一類聚中各種具體事物的差別相。論文依次說「色想出過」、「有對想滅沒」、「種種想不作意」,三者各有側重,不宜混為同一名稱。

在修習結果上,論中說除遣「有色、有對種種想」之後,修習者生起「無邊相虛空勝解」,由近分加行究竟作意進入上根本定的加行究竟果作意定,名為「空無邊處具足安住」。尚依近分、未入上根本定時,所緣唯是虛空;已入上根本定後,則既緣虛空,也緣自地所有諸蘊。由此可見,「有對想滅沒」在本論中是趣入空無邊處的一環,意指相關障礙想在此修習脈絡中被除遣,原文並未據此將一切想概括為永久斷除。

此外,本論談到「想」的一般所緣時,說一切法皆可如其所應成為所緣,並列舉受、想、行蘊、無為、無見無對色、六內處及一切種子等。此處明用「無見無對色」一語,可與「有對想」所緣的有障礙色聚相區別;但原文只提供所緣分類,未直接把該段列項等同於「有對想」的定義。

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《顯揚聖教論》對「有對想」之論述,主要見於其解說四無色定超證次第之段落中,尤以由色界入無色界之初位——虛空無邊處之文為詳。

一、定義

經文明言:「有對想者,謂彼所依四大想及餘所造色想」。「對」指質礙之義,故有對想即緣質礙之法所生之想,內容涵蓋地、水、火、風四大之想,以及依四大所造之色法之想。此與同段所定義之「色想」有別:經文另立「色想者,謂顯色想」,僅指緣可見之色相所生之想,相較之下,有對想所緣更為寬廣,兼攝不可見之四大及一切造色。

二、與種種想之並列

本論於有對想外,另立「種種想」以為相應之想:「種種想者,謂即於四大及造色中,長短麁細方圓高下正及不正光影明闇,如是等類假色所攝種種想」。此想乃於四大與造色之上所施設之種種相狀之想,如長短、方圓、高下、正與不正、光影、明暗等,皆假色所攝。可見種種想乃有對想之上之進一步概念施設,二者同依色法而有。

三、滅沒之因緣

關於有對想之超越,經文以「出過」之義加以說明:「如出過義,有對想滅沒、種種想不作意,如是應知」;並於解說虛空無邊處時具體指出:「若正入無邊虛空處時,有對之想不現前故滅,及種種想不起作意,由如是故超彼能依一切色想」。由此可知,有對想之滅乃以「不現前故」為因——非以強力斷除,乃以所緣境界不現前而自然滅沒;種種想之滅則以「不起作意」為因。經文以此二義並舉,明超越色想之理。

四、與四無色定之關聯

本論將有對想之滅沒繫於正入虛空無邊處之際,並以此為四無色定超證之起點。其後分別說明由虛空無邊處入識無邊處、由識無邊處入無所有處、由無所有處入非想非非想處,每一階位皆「超過近分及與根本」。雖然此三段未再明言有對想之狀況,但依首段之理,於初入虛空無邊處時有對想即已滅沒,故後三無色處之超越不再涉及此想。

五、用語特色

本論以「四大想及所造色想」界定有對想,顯瑜伽行派以「質礙」為性之分析法門;又以「不現前故滅」及「不起作意」分別說有對想與種種想之超越,不用「斷」詞而用「滅沒」「不作意」,呈現細密之分別。

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