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生時

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1. What This Concept Is About

What does the Madhyamaka (中觀, the Middle Way school of Buddhist philosophy) mean by 生時 (jāti-kāla, "the moment of arising")?

In everyday speech, we constantly say things "arise," "begin," "come into being" — relationships, careers, insights, projects, feelings. We generally take for granted that every arising has a specific, pinpointable moment. The Madhyamaka treatises 《中論》 (*Mūlamadhyamakakārikā*, Verses on the Middle Way) and 《十二門論》 (*Dvādaśadvāraśāstra*, Treatise on Twelve Gates) take that assumption apart piece by piece. They split the event of "arising" (生, *utpāda*) into three "times" (or three "thirds") and ask: can any of them be substantively established?

《中論》 frames the inquiry with three times — 三時: - 已生 (*already arisen*) — the thing has fully appeared. - 未生 (*not yet arisen*) — the thing is entirely absent. - 生時 (*the moment of arising*) — the in-between: a fruit just beginning to come out but not yet complete.

《十二門論》 uses a parallel three-fold division — 三分 (生 / 不生 / 生時) — and gives a sharper definition for the middle one:

「生名果起出, 未生名未起未出未有, 生時名始起未成」 *Arising* means the fruit has come out and emerged. *Not arisen* means not yet up, not yet out, not yet existing. *The moment of arising* means just beginning to come up, not yet complete.

So 生時 is specifically that half-formed stretch when you could plausibly say "something is happening," but it has not yet landed. The fruit is starting to show; the event is in motion; you can sense the arrival — but full "arising" has not happened.

Both texts then drive the same fundamental thesis:

生時亦不生 — *the moment of arising also does not arise*.

That is: when you examine this supposedly "thin slice" between non-being and being, you cannot find it as a stable locus with its own being (實有, *svabhāva*). It collapses under its own weight.

This is not metaphysical hair-splitting. The move is one of the analytical engines behind Nagarjuna's opening of the 《中論》 with the Eight Negations (八不中道):

「不生亦不滅, 不常亦不斷, 不一亦不異, 不來亦不去」 *Not arising, not ceasing; not permanent, not interrupted; not identical, not different; not coming, not going.*

The analysis of 生時 is one precise way the tradition works out the first pair, 不生 (*anutpāda*, non-arising). And that very 不生 is what the 《心經》 (Heart Sūtra) takes as its premise in 照見五蘊皆空, 度一切苦厄 — *see the five aggregates to be empty of any arising, and thereby cross all suffering*. So 生時 is not a minor technical term. It is one load-bearing thread in how Mahayana severs the reification we habitually impose on "becoming."

The Fourfold Refutation in 《中論》

《中論》's main line against the claim "the moment-of-arising arises" (生時生) is a four-layer dismantling. Each layer looks simple, but together they cut off every conceivable escape route.

(a) Mutual-dependence refutation — 分別破. If a "moment of arising" is posited, it must depend on a thing that is "in the process of arising" (the 生法). But this 生法 is only describable as such by being in some moment. Without arising, no moment is named; without a moment, no arising is named. They lean on each other and neither stands alone. So "moment-of-arising" does not obtain.

(b) Separation-vs-together refutation — 離合破. Imagine the 生時 is something independent, separable from 生 itself. Then within that separated moment, you would need yet another act of arising. But once you pull 生 apart from the moment, the moment itself disappears. So "in the moment, there is arising" cannot be said.

(c) Two-arisings refutation — 二生過破. To affirm "生時生" is to actually double 生. You need one 生 that *constitutes the moment* (the act by which the moment is set up) plus another 生 that *occurs within the moment*. But there is no second thing here. As the text asks directly: 「無有二法, 云何有二生」 — *two distinct dharmas there are not; how could there be two arisings?* (Here 二法 means "two distinguishable dharmas," not a metaphysical claim about duality.)

(d) Support refutation — 所依破. Before "arising" (生) has even begun, you cannot claim the "moment of arising" is already present — the moment has to be supported by an arising, but that support hasn't come online yet. So 生 has nowhere to stand, and the moment cannot be posited.

These are not four separate attacks on four different things. They are four ways of showing the same thing: that the supposed discrete moment-of-arising cannot bear the ontological weight we put on it.

The 《十二門論》 Refinement

《十二門論》 approaches from a different angle by carving the moment *internally*. If 生時 has any thickness at all, it must consist of two parts: a part already out (生分, the "arisen slice") and a part not yet out (未生分, the "not-yet-arisen slice"). Neither side can carry the load:

- The 生分 cannot re-arise. Something already arisen has no need to arise again. If it did, either it would arise infinitely, or it would duplicate itself impossibly — both well-established bad outcomes (regression, repetition). - The 未生分 cannot arise. If a not-yet-arisen part could now generate arising, then by the same logic every "not-yet-arisen" thing at every moment would have to arise — collapsing the ordinary distinctions we live by (between what is being built and what is being left alone, between food and fuel, between work and rest).

So 生時 cannot even accomplish its own internal beginning. The mid-way cannot constitute its own start.

The Convergence

Both texts converge:

生、住、滅不成, 故有為法不成 *Arising not established, abiding not established, ceasing not established — therefore conditioned phenomena are not established.*

If you cannot pin down the moment a thing begins to be, the whole scaffolding of three times falls. From there 《十二門論》 goes further: from arising's collapse, abiding and ceasing also collapse; from there, conditioned phenomena (有為法, *saṃskṛta-dharma*) collapse; unconditioned dharmas (無為法, *asaṃskṛta-dharma*) collapse; and 眾生 (*sattva*, beings) collapse; ending in 「一切法無生, 畢竟空寂」 — *all dharmas are unarisen; ultimate emptiness-quiescence*.

A small textual point worth keeping: while the conclusion is the same, the framings are not identical. 《中論》 uses 三時 (已生 / 未生 / 生時), refutes the third with the fourfold pattern, and explicitly refers the reader to 〈觀去來品〉 (the chapter on coming-and-going) for a related argument. 《十二門論》 uses 三分 (生 / 不生 / 生時), explicitly defines 生時 as 「始起未成」, and concentrates its analytical effort on the internal carving (生分 vs. 未生分). Knowing the difference keeps you from collapsing two distinct treatises into one.


2. Life Walkthrough: When, Exactly, Did This Begin?

The classical analysis can land uncomfortably close to the texture of contemporary life. We are surrounded by situations where common sense insists that "it started at such-and-such moment" — but on inspection the moment is nowhere to be found.

Scenario A. Scrolling and the Spark of a New Interest

A friend's post introduces you to a new hobby. At what time did "interest" arise?

- *Already arisen?* No — even after the recommendation, you don't yet have it; that's the 未生 side. - *Not yet arisen?* Also no — something is stirring; you are leaning in. - *In the moment of arising?* This is the moment you might try to name. But slice it: the half where you "already have interest" no longer needs to arise; the half where you don't have it yet cannot yet arise. Where is the moment?

The analysis is not telling you to stop being interested in things. It is revealing that the conceptual scaffold of "a precise arising moment" is not as solid as it felt. Once you see that, the *clinging* pattern (reliving the spark of first attraction, or futilely trying to pinpoint exactly when a new affection began) loses some of its invisible authority.

Scenario B. The Startup of a Relationship

You've been seeing someone. Friends ask, "When did it begin?" You both have a perfectly ordinary conversation about it.

Try pointing to a moment — "the second date," "the first time we said I-love-you," "the night we stayed on the phone till 4 a.m." Each candidate has the same trouble:

- *Has it fully arisen by then?* Often not — by the time you can label it, something subtle had been building. - *Hasn't it arisen yet at that point?* Also no — by the "label moment," something has been working for a while. - *Is there a moment-of-arising right there?* The moment is real as experience, but as a *thing* with a sharp moment-of-birth it doesn't hold up.

This is not nihilism about love. Both the texts and ordinary life agree that love functions, orients, organizes a life. What the 生時 analysis challenges is the mental habit of trying to grasp love as a thing with a hard edge of origination. The looseness, the retroactive accretion ("oh, I think it really started when she laughed at that dumb joke six weeks ago"), the perpetual re-narration — those are actually native to the territory. The conceptual scramble to fix a moment is the reification, not the reality.

Scenario C. The "I Quit" Moment

You've been thinking about leaving a job for months. One day you write the resignation letter. Cultural narratives love this dramatic moment — the *click*, the *spark*, the *leap*.

The text asks: did "decision to leave" really arise in that moment? There is a long prior stretch where the decision has been half-forming, hesitant, mid-thought. The letter-writing is the "completed arising" (已生), but it rides on a long half-formed process that has no pin-downable moment. And the act of writing is itself half-formed — the inner mental state of "I'm quitting" is not fully present in the moment of writing; the signature will close it.

The analysis is not saying you cannot act, decide, or quit. It is showing that the felt drama of "the decisive moment" is a narrative the mind lays *on top of* a process that is structurally inconvenient for a pinpoint. Real deliberation takes that difficulty seriously.

Scenario D. Parenting Milestones

Parents often remember the moment a child "became" a thing — walked, spoke, became a person. Look at any of those:

- *Fully formed by then?* No — the gait is wobbly, half-formed (生時). - *Hasn't yet happened?* No — they are mid-stride. - *A "first walk" as a discrete moment?* As an event you'll talk about, yes. As a thing with a hard origin, no.

The texts are not denying you have a child, that the child grows, that milestones matter. They are saying the *half-formed* part of the process is not a stable entity you can isolate.

Scenario E. The Anger That "Suddenly" Flared

You're sure your anger "just appeared" in the moment when someone cut you off in traffic. Look more carefully:

- *Was it fully there before the trigger?* Possibly no — the strict "already-arisen" frame fails. - *Was it entirely absent before?* Possibly no — irritation had been building. - *Is there a moment-of-arising?* The felt spike is real. But slice it: the half that has fully "arisen" doesn't need to keep arising; the half that has not yet arisen cannot yet arise.

Anger does occur. The point is the *imagined* neat moment of its appearance is not as solid as the felt experience presents. Skillful response sometimes means seeing that — not acting on the supposed "spike" as if it were a discrete event needing immediate containment, but seeing how it has been half-formed for some while.

A Note on Where People Often Map Wrong

The most common mistake in laying this on everyday life is to translate 生時 as "the present moment" and then talk about mindfulness. That is a different analysis with different aims. 生時 is a *technical* term about the moment of *arising of a thing*. It is not "now," and it is not a synonym for being-mindful-now. Modern pop-spiritual readings often collapse the two, but doing so loses precision on both sides — see the misreadings section below.


3. Why a Contemporary Person Might Need This

(a) It gently dissolves the "click moment" myth

A lot of contemporary stories — romantic, professional, spiritual, even medical — run on the "click": the moment of conversion, the moment of falling in love, the moment of deciding to leave, the moment of recovery. The mind likes to wrap lived processes into a tidy arrow with a clear origin because that is the shape stories want. The 生時 analysis is a patient, repeated showing: your meaningful life-events often don't have a moment-of-arising that holds up under inspection. Letting that go doesn't empty the events; it loosens the reification that often adds confusion or disappointment to them ("we missed our moment," "if only I'd recognized it at the right moment").

(b) It pairs naturally with our new epistemic environment

We live in an era where algorithms, AI, and continuous data tracking try very hard to *pin down* the precise moment of "conversion," "interest," "desire," "switching," "churn." Marketing platforms, dating platforms, attention platforms all work on trying to instrument the alleged moment of formation of preference or attachment. The Madhyamaka analysis reads almost like a pre-emptive critique of this whole enterprise: the very *thing* these systems are trying to instrument is ungraspable as a discrete entity in the way the engineering assumes. (Note carefully: this is a structural resemblance, not a claim that cognitive science "proves" Buddhist emptiness. Neuroscience — for example, the Libet-style readiness-potential experiments on the timing of felt decisions — has long suggested that "decisional moments" are preceded by a long preparation whose interpretation is heavily contested. The Buddhist analysis is doing something different and is not reducible to "the brain does X." Comparisons are suggestive, not confirmatory.)

(c) It is training in tolerating the in-between

We also live in a lot of in-between spaces now — not-yet-employable, not-yet-launching, not-yet-fully-adult, identity-still-forming, climate-still-looming, relationships of unclear status. A lot of contemporary distresses come from grasping one side of the binary ("I should be already formed," "this should not have started yet") while reality sits in 生時 — half-arrived, awkward, ambiguous. Practically, the analysis is training in tolerating — even *knowing* — that ambiguity at a deeper level than "be patient, it will happen."

(d) It reframes "becoming better" without the moment-of-transformation trap

Self-improvement culture often sells the "transformation moment" — the day you decided, the workout that changed you, the conversation that broke through. The analysis doesn't say those moments are unimportant; it asks whether they can bear the weight they're given as *moments of arising* of an improved self. Often they cannot. Improvement is process. Knowing that can free you from the failure narrative when a "decisive moment" fades without continuous change following it.

(e) It connects to a major living tradition's contemplative structure

The Heart Sūtra's 照見五蘊皆空 depends on exactly this kind of analysis. So does the 《金剛經》's 应无所住而生其心 — *let the mind arise without abiding anywhere*. These are not ornamental phrases; they are the operating instructions of a contemplative tradition that has been working with the difficulty of pinpointing arising for over two thousand years. Whatever you may think of the metaphysics, recognizing the role this kind of analysis plays in a major living tradition is a good enough reason to take it seriously.


4. Common Misreadings and Clarifications

Misreading 1 — "This means nothing ever begins."

Wrong on two fronts. The texts themselves use ordinary language about arising and changing throughout. 《十二門論》 gives a working definition of "arising" (果起出) and assumes it as a conventional fact. The Madhyamaka point is not to deny that things "begin" in the everyday sense, but to deny that the *moment of arising* can be established as a real, own-being entity when examined.

The technical frame is the doctrine of the **two truths (二諦, *saṃvṛti-satya* / *paramārtha-satya*, conventional / ultimate truth)** that Nagarjuna sets out at the opening of 《中論》. At the conventional level, yes, things begin, change, end — the texts themselves speak that way. At the ultimate level, the moment-of-arising is 空 (*śūnya*, empty) — ungraspable as a self-standing thing. Conflating the two is one of the most common mistakes.

Misreading 2 — "This is a denial of causation or conditions."

No. The texts explicitly engage with conditions. They critique the move "since all the conditions are now assembled, arising must happen at this moment." The reply is not that conditions are irrelevant; it is that *if* there were a moment-of-arising, *it* wouldn't hold up under examination, and *therefore* conditions alone cannot create a substantively-arising entity. The argument is a reductio on the moment, not an erasure of conditions. In fact 《中論》's 「若謂生時生, 是事已不成; 云何眾緣合, 爾時而得生?」 is directly poking this kind of move.

Misreading 3 — "生時 equals 'being in the present moment'."

A contemporary pop-spiritualism stretch. 生時 is a *technical* term with a precise analytic target: the moment of *arising of a thing*. It is not a synonym for mindfulness-of-the-now. Mindfulness of the present has its own elaborate Buddhist exposition (within vipassanā / insight traditions), and it is not reducible to the Madhyamaka analysis of arising. Conflating them is to lose precision on both sides.

Misreading 4 — "This proves eternalism or nihilism."

The text is not arguing for any eternal substance underlying change, nor is it denying change altogether. The classical framing is the Eight Negations in 《中論》: 不生不滅, 不常不斷, 不一不異, 不來不去. The analysis of 生時 supports 不生 as a non-affirming negation — it negates the *reification* of the moment, not the conventional function of change. Reading it as either "everything is eternal" or "nothing changes" mistakes the target.

Misreading 5 — "This is just logical trickery with no real practice import."

A common pragmatic dismissal of Madhyamaka — "too clever for its own good." Two points against:

- The classical tradition always tied this analysis directly to liberation (解脫, *mokṣa*). It is one of the supports for the meditative penetration called 般若波羅蜜多 (*prajñā-pāramitā*, the perfection of wisdom). The line from the 《心經》 (照見五蘊皆空) shows the depth of that connection. - Practically, as the scenarios above suggest, the analysis does change how attention functions in real time — not as a one-time truth but as a structural loosening of reification across many small situations.

Misreading 6 — "If 生時 doesn't hold, memory, story, identity fall apart."

Memory, story, identity *do* function — the analysis is not a sledgehammer against them. What loosens is the *metaphysical edge* we attach to them: the belief that there is a hard "moment of arising" each time. With that looseness, narratives function in a less brittle way — more like the way a river holds together without there being a single discrete "moment of arising" for the river.

Misreading 7 — "The two texts are saying the same thing in different words."

A small but important distinction. 《中論》 and 《十二門論》 agree on the *conclusion* but are not the same analysis. 《中論》 uses 三時, treats the third with the fourfold refutation pattern, and explicitly refers the reader to 〈觀去來品〉 for some of the reasoning. 《十二門論》 uses 三分 (生/不生/生時), explicitly defines 生時 as 「始起未成」, and concentrates its analytical effort on internal carving (生分 vs. 未生分). The differences in frame, terminology, and emphasis are real and worth keeping.


A Closing Frame

生時 is one of the tradition's quieter but precise instruments. It does not pretend to overturn the obvious — that things come into being, take shape, and pass. It takes seriously the felt, half-formed space in which something first begins to be more than nothing and less than complete, and shows that this space, examined carefully, does not support the substantial moment-of-arising we tend to assume. When 《心經》 says 照見五蘊皆空, 度一切苦厄, and when 《金剛經》 counsels 应无所住而生其心, they are speaking from a contemplative trajectory in which exactly this kind of seeing plays a load-bearing role.

The takeaway, for a contemporary reader, is not a doctrine to memorize but a *mode of inspection*. Try, in a small recent instance of "becoming," to find the moment it began. Don't try to dismiss it. Just look. The moment the question turns rigid — *but it had to start somehow* — the very hope the analysis is diagnosing is showing itself. Softening that hope is the work of a long patience, not a one-time revelation. And that is also exactly where 生時 is being pointed: not to reject the world of arising, but to ask what it is we are actually trying to grasp when we say, "this began at the moment."

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定义与核心要义

「生时」(jāti-kāla),中观部论书于推破「生」之究察时所立三时或三分之一,指果法刚开始出现、尚未完成之阶段。《中论》以「已生」「未生」「生时」三际并列,《十二门论》以「生」「不生」「生时」三分并列,两部皆以「生时亦不生」为根本命题,经层层推破,明「生时」非可实有安立之时位。

主要阐述

《中论》以三际推破「生」之究察,核心命题为「生时亦不生」。偈颂云:「生非生已生,亦非未生生,生时亦不生,去来中已答」,直显生时不生,并指其理于〈观去来品〉已先破。

本部对「生时生」之执作四重逻辑推破:

一、分别破:若离生法则生时不可得,若离生时则生法不可得;既云「生时生」,必有所依之法与时,然二者互依不可分离,故「生时生」不成立。

二、离合破:若离生别有生时者,应生时方生;但离生即无生时,故生时不生。

三、二生过破:若言生时生,则有「以生故名生时」之生,复有「生时中生」之生,便成二生;然「无有二法,云何有二生」?故生时不生。

四、所依破:若生法未发,则无生时可立;生时既无,生依何立?故不得言生时生。

该部以「若谓生时生,是事已不成;云何众缘合,尔时而得生?」破外道转计「众缘和合故有生」之说,明缘具不具皆与生同破。又以「若言生时生,是能有所生;何得更有生,而能生是生?」追问无穷之过。本部结云「生、住、灭不成,故有为法不成」,将三时之破与有为法之建立相连。

《十二门论》以「生、不生、生时」三分考察一法之生起,对「生时」有明确释义:「生名果起出,未生名未起未出未有,生时名始起未成」。故本经所说的「生时」,是果法刚开始出现、尚未完成的阶段;「生」指果已起、已出,「未生」指尚未起、未出、未有。

本经核心主张同为「生时亦不生」。论证先把生时中的情形分作「生分」与「未生分」:生分不能再生,因已生之法若又生,便有重复生起及无穷生之过;未生分也不能生,因若不生之法可以生,便会导致一切不生法皆应生,并破坏作、去、食等因缘分别。故处于「始起未成」的生时,不能由其中已生或未生的任何一分成立。

本经又从「生时」与「生」是否可分离来破斥:若离开「生」另有一个独立的生时,便应当在那个生时中再发生生起;但离生并无生时,故不能说生时中有生。反之,若说「生时生」,又会形成两种生:一是以「生时」本身作为生,二是在生时之中另有一个生;然并无这两个不同的法,故「二生」不能成立。

此外,本经追问:在「生」尚未成立以前,生时也无从成立;若没有生,便没有可称为生时的阶段,也没有「生」可以运行或发生的处所。因此,「未有生,无生时」,生既无行处,即不能成立「生时生」。本经并不把生时当作可独立安立的时间点或实体,而是指出它依「生」而被说明,离生则不可得。

相关偈论亦以反问揭示同一问题:尚未生起者不能自生,已经生起者也无须再生;若以另一个「生生」来使本生生起,则「生生」自身尚未生时,也不能生本生。

本经最后将「生时不可得」置于更完整的空性论证中:今生不生,不生亦不生,生时亦不生,故「生、不生、生时皆不成」。由生法不成,进而说住、灭亦同样不成,并依次说有为法、无为法及众生皆不成,总结为「一切法无生,毕竟空寂」。

不同部类与译本的表述差异

两部同属中观部,皆以「生时」立论,术语形式一致。

就框架而言:《中论》以三际——「已生」「未生」「生时」——三句并列以推破「生」之究察;《十二门论》则以三分——「生」「不生」「生时」——考察一法之生起。

就释义而言:《中论》未对「生时」作正面定义,仅以三句推破其不成立;《十二门论》则正面界定「生时名始起未成」,并由此释义展开论证,详于《中论》。

与相关概念的关系

「生时」与「已生」「未生」(《中论》)或「生」「不生」(《十二门论》)并列,为三时或三分中之中间一项。《中论》将「生时」之破与〈观去来品〉相连,指其理已先答。《十二门论》则将「生时」与「住」「灭」相连,由生法不成立推至住、灭亦不成,进而推至有为法、无为法、众生皆不成。

两部亦以「生时」作为时位名相而用之:于论究生与老死时,以「生时即有死故」明生与死非一时;于论灭时与生时时,以「若初有灭时后有生者,即二有一时俱:一有是灭时,一有是生时」、「若生时灭时一时无二有」明生时、灭时非可同时并有二有。

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- 「生非生已生,亦非未生生,生时亦不生,去来中已答。」 - 「若离生法则生时不可得,若离生时则生法不可得……故生时生不成立。」 - 「若离生别有生时者,应生时方生……故生时不生。」 - 「若言生时生,则有以生故名生时之生,复有生时中生之生……无有二法,云何有二生?」 - 「若生法未发,则无生时可立……故不得言生时生。」 - 「生、住、灭不成,故有为法不成。」 - 「若谓生时生,是事已不成;云何众缘合,尔时而得生?」 - 「明缘具不具皆与生同破。」 - 「若言生时生,是能有所生;何得更有生,而能生是生?」 - 「无穷之过同前。」 - 「生时即有死故。」 - 「若初有灭时后有生者,即二有一时俱:一有是灭时,一有是生时。」 - 「若生时灭时一时无二有。」 - 「生生尚未生时,不能生本生。」 - 「生名果起出,未生名未起未出未有,生时名始起未成。」 - 「生分不能再生……未生分亦不能生。」 - 「若离生别有生时者……不能说生时中有生。」 - 「未有生,无生时。」 - 「生、不生、生时皆不成……一切法无生,毕竟空寂。」

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中論T1564 · 中觀部

《中論》以「生時」一詞指涉諸法生起之時刻,與「已生」「未生」並列,作為破斥生起之第三個面向。論中先以偈頌標示:「生非生已生,亦非未生生,生時亦不生,去來中已答」,明示生時亦不生之理,並指此義已於〈去來品〉中答辯。

青目釋先界定「生」為眾緣和合而有生,繼而分三時論破:已生中無作故無生,未生中無作故無生,生時亦不然。其論證層層推進:若生已更生,則展轉無窮,亦違「生相未生而汝謂生」之失;未生法不生,否則未與生緣和合者亦應生,乃至「未生菩提今應生菩提」「不壞法阿羅漢無有煩惱今應生煩惱」「兔等無角今皆應生」之違世間事。至於生時之不生,論主先破「離生有生時」之獨立時間觀,謂若離生有生時應生時生,然「離生無生時,是故生時亦不生」。

再進一步設難:若言生時生,則有二生之過——一以生故名生時,二以生時中生,「無有二法,云何有二生」。又生法未發則無生時,生時無故生何所依,故不得言生時生。是故偈�反覆遮遣:「若謂生時生,是事已不成;云何眾緣合,爾時而得生?」「若言生時生,是能有所生;何得更有生,而能生是生?」 論主亦回應問者「眾緣和合故有生」之救難,於偈中重申眾緣合時亦不能得生。如此三時皆破,「無生故生不成,生不成故住、滅亦不成」,進而推至有為法不成。

此外,論中亦於生老死關係處提到「生時即有死故」,以牛角一時俱出不相因為喻;於滅生相續處論及「初有滅時後有生」與「滅時生時二有俱」之辨,可見「生時」一詞亦用於析辨生滅之相依與同時之問題。

《中論》此處所用術語以「生」「生時」「已生」「未生」「眾緣和合」「有為法」為主,並以「去來」作為已答之部類參照,未見特殊異譯,與此概念在其他經論中之名相大體一致。

十二門論T1568 · 中觀部

《十二門論》對「生時」一詞的界定為「始起未成」,並將其與「生」(果起出)、「不生」(未起未出未有)並列,作為論證「一切法空」之三個不可得之項。

此經之獨特論述方式,是從多側面層層破斥「生時生」之執:

第一,「生分不生」與「未生分不生」。生時之中,已生之分不可再生,未生之分亦無生可得,其理與前論生、不生之方式相同。

第二,「離生無生時」。若離於生法別有一生時,則應許生時自生;然實則離生並無獨立之生時可得,故生時亦不生。

第三,「生時生則成二生」。若人說生時生,則生時本身已是生,又說生時生,便有二生;然實無二法,云何言有二生?

第四,「未有生則無生時」。未有生時,生於何處行?生若無行處,則生時生之說不成立。

此外,經中亦援引論「生」時所用「生已不應更生」之譬喻(作已不應作、燒已不應燒、證已不應證),同樣用以遮破生時之執。

經文最終收束:生、不生、生時三者皆不成就;生法不成就故,住、滅亦如是;有為法不成故,無為法亦不成;有為、無為法不成故,眾生亦不成就。是故當知一切法無生,畢竟空寂。

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